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Xesum wrote:Hardrives need to be better designed.
I read once that Hitachi are going to bring out new HDs in a few years that use lasers to "heat up" the surface of the disk to store information. I think it depends on the size of the laser or the color, blue or red that will help determine how much can be stored on the disk. We really do need to move away from moving parts in hard disks though as disks with no moving parts have less chances of crashing.
I've heard a couple of sparks before, where a HD never comes back. Without the supermagnet and furnace, drive data can at least be recovered
Me too, but I've never been able to recover the data, no matter how I tried. Thank goodness for my backups though. I lost a 1TB external disk a coup;e of months ago, but last backup was December last year. Now I am way more careful to back up often.
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Oh, a spark is a short, and shorting out the PCB ruins it. You won't be able to recover the data. A data recovery company will be able to by switching in a new drive controller. But yeah, proper administration doesn't lose data. I haven't lost data yet. Backup. Hopefully the edgenetwork just had a catastrophic failure of all server hardware, and not their hard drives.
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justanotherfan wrote: Yeah, I'm wondering what kind of host decides one day to delete a pile of websites. If I accidentally spilled tea on my company's server's RAID case, and then tripped, knocking it into my desk furnace next to my supermagnet, Hallmark doesn't have a card for that. I've seen problems like this happen before of course, but there's some missing communication, and some badly/cheaply administrated hosting servers. I don't know what edgenetwork.org looked like before, but it looks like they're having problems company-wide. What they need is a note or someone to say "Recently, some unusually high solar radiation levels caused gamma rays to unfraggle our hard drives, their backups, and the drives at our remote backup co-location center. We're very sorry for the effects it has had, but in the future, we will be shielding our servers with 10ft thick Pepsi-proof Unobtanium. Thanks for your patience, and please continue sucking it with Careless Servers."
From what I understand, the company imploded.

As far as I know, EdgeNetwork was a small independent company with no corporate backer, and providing this kind of hosting to gaming sites isn't exactly a cash cow. As the Economic Apocalypse® drags on, more and more companies are either scrambling for the biggest life raft they can find or drowning amidst a sea of debt and the frantic hands of the damned. I keep saying this, but for some reason nobody believes me....
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You know, about an hour ago I thought about that, and about how assinine it would be for them to silently go bankrupt taking everyone's website content with them. I imagine that telling people to backup their content within a day would cause investors to panic, but only for a day on a sinking ship. I figured a hosting company wouldn't do that. Deleting all content intentionally is the antithesis of what hosting companies and administrators do. I can't think of anyone I know that would pay for a hosting service whose employees had deleted all subscriber content without warning at their last job. Maybe they thought Technology was over, and decided to start new careers in Fire and Hunting :-). You're probably right though.

On the plus side of this very negative thing, at least it will help show which mods are active and which are dormant. UNATCO Born certainly seems reinvigorated.
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From what I understand, the company imploded.

As far as I know, EdgeNetwork was a small independent company with no corporate backer, and providing this kind of hosting to gaming sites isn't exactly a cash cow. As the Economic Apocalypse® drags on, more and more companies are either scrambling for the biggest life raft they can find or drowning amidst a sea of debt and the frantic hands of the damned. I keep saying this, but for some reason nobody believes me....
Well I can start to understand this now. Without getting money from hosting sites, how on earth did they think they could stay online? Offering what they did with no help towards hardware upgrades or costs of running servers, with so many people wanting sites on it, I can see how easily that would end up like what you said happened.
On the plus side of this very negative thing, at least it will help show which mods are active and which are dormant. UNATCO Born certainly seems reinvigorated.
Yeah, BTW Edgefiles still works. Is this the same place or something different? But I don't know when this was posted on EdgeFiles, but it says on the home page:
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In closing, I'd like to yet again voice a plea for anyone with bandwidth to spare - if they would kindly let us abuse it? ;-) Please contact us at founders(at)edgenetwork.org if so! Already a big thanks to FileFront for providing an alternative download location, one which FileFront subscribers can really make use of. So what are you doing here reading this anyway? ;-)
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Morpheus wrote: Yeah, BTW Edgefiles still works. Is this the same place or something different? But I don't know when this was posted on EdgeFiles, but it says on the home page:
Edgefiles.com is most likely getting yet another overhaul on how it functions, improving it tenfold - especially for our hosted sites. May take some time though.

In closing, I'd like to yet again voice a plea for anyone with bandwidth to spare - if they would kindly let us abuse it? ;-) Please contact us at founders(at)edgenetwork.org if so! Already a big thanks to FileFront for providing an alternative download location, one which FileFront subscribers can really make use of. So what are you doing here reading this anyway? ;-)
it has said that since it launched in 2003(?).

oddly enough i can still log into the admin panel, meaning some sort of database is still running somewhere..
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You know, I blame the media for the recession.

They kept on blabbering about how we're all going to be homeless and how nobody has any money.

Just don't talk about it, simple as, people won't worry as much, or even get rid of the stupid Capitalism system we have.

I'm a bit of a Socialist as you can see, so my point of view may be biased.
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A quick update, the site download via Warrick recovery software is 8% complete after running for 2 and a half days non-stop (it hasn't even started on the forums yet so it could take an awfully long time).

The downloaded content so far is in good condition but saved in HTML format so all data will require a manual process of restoration. Depending on who is still around to get the site back together again, the worst case scenario would be sticking the site straight into archives and simply editing all content so that it can be viewed again.
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justanotherfan wrote:You know, about an hour ago I thought about that, and about how assinine it would be for them to silently go bankrupt taking everyone's website content with them. I imagine that telling people to backup their content within a day would cause investors to panic, but only for a day on a sinking ship. I figured a hosting company wouldn't do that. Deleting all content intentionally is the antithesis of what hosting companies and administrators do. I can't think of anyone I know that would pay for a hosting service whose employees had deleted all subscriber content without warning at their last job. Maybe they thought Technology was over, and decided to start new careers in Fire and Hunting :-). You're probably right though.
I'm not 100% certain on this part, but I'm pretty sure that website administrators did not have to pay for hosting from EdgeNetwork. Rather, it was like the pseudo-symbiosis of the Gamespy/IGN-type "Media Networks", where website admins needed a place to put their content, and the Network hosted them in return for the advertising revenue it brings them (the sites have links to other parts of the Network and ads that the host controls). However, even with storage and bandwidth being relatively cheap these days, it's still more than can be paid for by ad revenue from low-traffic/old sites without having a steady supply of hot new sites to acquire.

That, of course, is undone by the fact that storage and bandwidth are relatively cheap, so hosting from a commercial Web host supplemented by Google ads is more attractive to many potential site admins than it was back in Ye Olde Internets when this "Network"-type clustering was the only way anyone would ever hear of your site. With the new atmosphere of *cringe* Web 2.0 *uncringe*, where everyone and their cats are on roughly 8 million social networking sites and have hundreds of obsessing neophiles waiting for updates on daily minutiae, the Internet is no longer a void where nobody can hear you scream.

The danger of this sort of thing was mostly mitigated by incorporating download sites into Media Networks, as having a site and hosting large downloads are two very separate ballparks, and thus, everyone wanting those files gets funnelled through the download site of your chosen Network where you have plenty of time to look at their ads. More recently, even that hasn't been enough to offset costs and most of these download sites have started pushing paid accounts and restricting unpaid use.

You may notice that EdgeFiles did NOT do this. And now EdgeNetwork is dead. But I guess they still have their integrity...?

The rest of this is just commentary on my part, but it seems like this is the classic clash between staying successful financially and staying well-liked. People start companies with noble intentions and ties to a community and suddenly find themselves having to choose between eating Ramen Noodles in their car or "selling out".

Let's face it, as consumers, and, well... as people, I suppose, we are generally incredibly opinionated. We have no qualms at all about "filling in" any details we don't know about something (or assume said details to not exist) and giving an ultimate judgement as soon as we hear something about it. Then we hold onto that opinion so closely that if someone else were to hint at a conflicting opinion we might get angry and hold onto the opinion tighter, never allowing for the possibility in our own minds that we might be wrong. So, when we hear something about Foo company starting to charge Bar dollars for a Baz subscription, which used to be free, we do not care in the least what motivated that action or how necessary it was. All we care about is that we want Baz, which means we have to pay money, and we don't like paying money, so we don't like Foo company (of course, we also like to play favourites, so we arbitrarily pick and choose who to hate/defend zealously).

The companies whose leadership can stomach making self-absorbed consumers angry make money and get another turn. For example, Gamespy and IGN's recent merge, which was by no means popular. The companies whose leadership isn't willing to compromise their image or their naïveté about the business world eventually reach the bottom of their wallet and realise that, oh wait, I guess this didn't get filled as fast as we thought it would, looks like we have to delay wages this month....

I don't know if that's what happened to EdgeNetwork, but they really didn't have a lot to make money from, and sooner or later you need to pay people.

In closing, I think this sums it up very nicely (thanks, Jim).
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i blame carone.

or Jim.

mostly carone.
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fender2k1 wrote:i blame carone.

or Jim.

mostly carone.
That's unfair on Jim [-X I blame carone and ONLY carone.

The fate of DXEditing.com has been decided, the site will be archived. Converting the Internet archive data from HTML format to PHP / SQL will be a painfully slow, manual process and there simply isn't enough manpower to do so. I have retrieved most of the data required for restoring the site content but will need to rebuild the site in clean, pure HTML format (I very much doubt there is a need for PHP or SQL for fixed content). This method will also reduce load on OTP servers (no need for db access or queries, etc... etc... etc...).

I will retrieve as much useful information from the forums' SQL as possible. After an extremely, long conversation lasting 52 seconds with Trestio, we... well, when I say we, I mean me, myself and I... have concluded that the DXE forums will run as a sub-forum here. As previously mentioned in my earlier post, unless DX3 provides something that warrants the return of DXE and PDX, the lack of activity in the forums apart from the spamming can't justify the continuation of the forums on its own... sorry!
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Xesum wrote:I blame the media for the recession. Just don't talk about it, simple as, people won't worry as much, or even get rid of the stupid Capitalism system we have. I'm a bit of a Socialist as you can see, so my point of view may be biased.
The media can extend a recession by staying negative, keeping confidence low. However, the reason the fall was catastrophic was because everything was kept positive for too long. It's like swimming away from shore, that you're fine as long as you keep moving forward above water, but the problem gets worse the farther you go. Confidence is an important intangible, but the numbers matter, and problems get worse while ignored. But then we can always keep interest rates low forever and make the next market bubble stronger and more opaque.
OiNutter wrote:as people, I suppose, we are generally incredibly opinionated. We have no qualms at all about "filling in" any details we don't know about something (or assume said details to not exist) and giving an ultimate judgement as soon as we hear something about it. Then we hold onto that opinion so closely that if someone else were to hint at a conflicting opinion we might get angry and hold onto the opinion tighter
Yep. I know nothing about this company, other than they did advertising-supported free hosting for years, had more downtime than I see elsewhere, and recently disappeared silently along with everyone's content. From only that, I've created a strong opinion that they are irresponsible administrators. If someone said tomorrow that an alcoholic hitman found EdgeNetwork in the phonebook and tried to shoot the company, I'd still think it was irresponsible to clear the FTP and say nothing. If they still have the content and allow access for a short time soon, I'll change my opinion, and see EdgeNetwork as a more principled and admirable failure.
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The fate of DXEditing.com has been decided, the site will be archived. Converting the Internet archive data from HTML format to PHP / SQL will be a painfully slow, manual process and there simply isn't enough manpower to do so. I have retrieved most of the data required for restoring the site content but will need to rebuild the site in clean, pure HTML format (I very much doubt there is a need for PHP or SQL for fixed content). This method will also reduce load on OTP servers (no need for db access or queries, etc... etc... etc...).

I will retrieve as much useful information from the forums' SQL as possible. After an extremely, long conversation lasting 52 seconds with Trestio, we... well, when I say we, I mean me, myself and I... have concluded that the DXE forums will run as a sub-forum here. As previously mentioned in my earlier post, unless DX3 provides something that warrants the return of DXE and PDX, the lack of activity in the forums apart from the spamming can't justify the continuation of the forums on its own... sorry!
I would like this idea. All I really ever used DXE was for the forum, rarely went on home page (did any of us actually do that much either?) and I stopped checking the other sections of the site a very long time ago too. So doing that is fine with me, and I think better this way. So will the revived threads make it onto the new sub-forum here or will they be gone and the sub-forum be blank? or whats happening?


What we might need (IMO) is a place just with code tutorials and general bits and peices of code/modding tools that could be used with Deus Ex...seems taks lab tutorials were never finished either.
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What I will try and do is set-up some sort of FAQ or index for the threads so people can search them. It will be a long, tedious manual process as there are thousands of threads to look into excluding spam but I will filter out those that are genuinely useful... I will get the old forum database hosted on my private host and see if anyone wants to go through it with me as well. More on that soon.
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tzang wrote:
fender2k1 wrote:i blame carone.

or Jim.

mostly carone.
That's unfair on Jim [-X I blame carone and ONLY carone.

The fate of DXEditing.com has been decided, the site will be archived. Converting the Internet archive data from HTML format to PHP / SQL will be a painfully slow, manual process and there simply isn't enough manpower to do so. I have retrieved most of the data required for restoring the site content but will need to rebuild the site in clean, pure HTML format (I very much doubt there is a need for PHP or SQL for fixed content). This method will also reduce load on OTP servers (no need for db access or queries, etc... etc... etc...).

I will retrieve as much useful information from the forums' SQL as possible. After an extremely, long conversation lasting 52 seconds with Trestio, we... well, when I say we, I mean me, myself and I... have concluded that the DXE forums will run as a sub-forum here. As previously mentioned in my earlier post, unless DX3 provides something that warrants the return of DXE and PDX, the lack of activity in the forums apart from the spamming can't justify the continuation of the forums on its own... sorry!
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