Giant Gobs of Crazy and the EFCA

[chris the cynic]

So, a while back the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) came up in some conversation and I said what it was, but I was at a loss to explain why anyone thought it was necessary.

(Briefly: currently when people want to form a union at least some of them need to go on record that they want to form a union then a vote will be held and if the "form a union" side wins a union is formed; the EFCA, if passed, would make it so that if more than 50% of employees go on record saying they want to form a union they can form the union right away.)

I have since found out the why behind the bill, but I figured that it was probably not worth bringing up here. That belief has changed (well not really, but I'm posting it anyway) for one simple reason: Now there is a movement in this country.


They believe that 48 years ago (on August 4, 1961) a child was born in the Republic of Kenya in the city of Mombasa (they say they have pictures of the birth certificate, honest) never mind that the Republic of Kenya didn't exist yet and Mombasa was part of Zanzibar at the time. I digress. 48 years ago this child was born. His father pretended to be an atheist, his mother pretended to be in Hawaii. They tricked the Hawaiian government into announcing the birth in two Hawaiian papers (they were crafty.)

They raised the child in radical Islam. What is more, he was a socialist. Once he'd been fully trained in radical Islam he was transferred to Chicago, where the mafia completed his indoctrination. He was educated at Harvard, by the way, financed by the Saudis.

Powered by hate and corruption he rose to the rank of senator, then he saw victory was within his grasp, all he had to do was run for president. At first it looked like his opponents might win, but then the child, now a man, tapped his greatest resource: the globalization conspiracy. The banks, which they controlled, were all to eager to create a financial crisis to swing the votes his way. Of course it wasn't just to get him elected. It was to pave the way towards fascism.

Now president, the man is ready to destroy this country from the inside, from the top down.

The globalists have already laid the groundwork. The oil crisis we've heard mentioned doesn't exist, there's enough oil for everyone forever (it happens to be under spotted owl nests, imagine that.) Global warming? A global sham to get us all thinking globally so globalization will seem more natural. All that needs to happen now is for the US to step into a new realm of socialized fascism. We're well on our way already.

There are FEMA concentration camps in the US today. The government is planning at least six civilian labor camps. There are train cars with shackles. (107,200 box cars with 143 pairs of shackles each implying there is an intent to have 15,329,600 prisoners in motion simultaneously.) They just dug 30,000 fresh graves in Arizona in preparation for the revolution. There's a vaccine for bird flu that was actually developed to kill people. Hugo Chavez now owns the software that runs US voting machines.

Patriots are not allowed in the US military, nor any government agency because the real goals of the military, FBI, and government at large involve crushing any patriotic American resistance to the globalists.

The main stream media will not report any of this, not even Fox as Saudi Arabi bought a portion of them in '07.

All of this is a good start, but for the plans to really take off the president (remember him?) needs to get a few things through congress. Like the Employee Free Choice Act which will allow unions (controlled by the mafia which is in turn controlled by the globalists) to take over industry and the Health Care thingamajig which will socialize medicine allowing the government to ration care and institute death panels so only those deemed productive survive and the rest get euthanasia.

Food will be scarce, we must horde water.

Expect martial law in September.

And Goldman Sachs runs the treasury.

And the globalists want to cut the global population down to about 1 billion.

And what the fuck is wrong with these people? I wish I were making this up.

You may recognize some of these conspiracy theories from Deus Ex, apparently conspiracy theory is relatively stable over time. Anyway, to do my small part I figured I'd tell you the truth behind the Employee Free Choice Act.

As I said, to form a union currently you need to get a certain number of employees (30% of the bargaining unit in theory) to go on record as wanting to form a union (not as wanting a vote, as actually publicly supporting the formation of a union) then the employer can demand a vote by secret ballot. The EFCA would make it so if a majority of employees already said they wanted to form a union they could form a union without having to wait for a vote.

The reason some people want the change is fairly simple. In a perfect world there would be nothing wrong with the system as it is today. Then again in a perfect world a union would be completely unnecessary. In this world certain employers realized that in the lag time between when they demanded the vote and when the vote took place they could hire new employees. Anti union employees. Enough anti union employees, in fact, to tilt the vote against unionization.

So that is the purpose of the EFCA. It is to stop employers from temporarily inflating their workforce with anti union employees in an (often successful) attempt to skew the results of a vote when such an election was (presumably) unnecessary anyway because a majority of employees had already cast their vote in favor and done so publicly no less.

[Xesum]

Dude, I know it's late, and you may be under the influence, but are you sure the tinfoil hat is on properly?

[chris the cynic]

[the EFCA came up in a previous thread, here is what it is]

I have since found out the why behind the bill, but I figured that it was probably not worth bringing up here. That belief has changed (well not really, but I'm posting it anyway) for one simple reason: Now there is a movement in this country.


They believe

[things that they, they being members of said movement, believe]

And what the fuck is wrong with these people? I wish I were making this up.

You may recognize some of these conspiracy theories from Deus Ex, apparently conspiracy theory is relatively stable over time. Anyway, to do my small part I figured I'd tell you the truth behind the Employee Free Choice Act.

[recap of EFCA]

[two paragraphs about the reason the EFCA was created]

Dude, I know it's late, and you may be under the influence, but are you sure the tinfoil hat is on properly?

What tinfoil hat?

[Xesum]

Well Mentioning Conspiracy Theories and Deus Ex and FEMA points to your madness, and tin foil hat on your head.

The only Conspiracy Theory that is correct is the one is the one about 9/11.

Because ALUMINIUM NO MATTER WHAT SPEED DOES NOT TRAVEL THROUGH IRON AND CONCRETE BUILDINGS.

[bobby 55]

Oh man if this is real it sounds like bullshit. If it is bullshit it sounds real.Welcome to planet earth 2009 where every day is: how are we going to screw you over day.
Edit: Shit a brick. Sorry for the incredulity. Robert Ludlum would do a great book with this material.
Extra Edit:i thought The X Files over did the conspiracy angle, talk about life imitating art.

[Xesum]

Well for me it is technically tomorrow

[Trestkon]

Well Mentioning Conspiracy Theories and Deus Ex and FEMA points to your madness, and tin foil hat on your head.

Perhaps you should read his entire post.

[Jcelios]

I admittedly only skimmed your post. So I don't follow the connection between the EFCA and the conspiracy.

But all the birther conspiracy nonsense is just the right's version of 9/11"Truth". It's the same old tired paranoid delusions.
Conspiracies do happen. However the so called "conspiracy theory" is an entirely different beast. Every conspiracy theory no matter the content stems from the same psychological processes and logical fallacies. I always find it fascinating when two proponents of vastly different conspiracy theories sound exactly same and use exactly the same flawed reasoning methods.
9/11 Conspiracy Theories we're a favorite pet project of mine. Now I just find it boring.
Usually 10 seconds on google can show how the vast forest of supposed anomalies (of which they weave their paranoid fantasy through) are easily explainable through more mundane explanations. Usually 9/11 Truthers operate under the "if every minute detail of a very chaotic and complex situation isn't immediately and intuitively understood in every way by me then something suspicious must be going on.".
Conspiracy Theories also thrive on misinformation. For example almost every single bit of content that 9/11 truthers cling too are either misleading or straight out deceptions.
Anyway the psychology behind Conspiracy Theories is something I find very interesting.

[~Psychotic~]

I love a good conspiracy. And this is some pretty fucken weird shit. I honestly can't tell if it's true or false now lol. And on a related note, who the hell really cares anymore? We're all fucked as it is anyway. Might as well live your life, have some damn fun and die happy.

Whilst I love conspiracies, paranoia and debating, quite a bit, I also think people overthink shit far too much, all the time. Even I do this. It's pathetic really. Live your life while you can, dwelling and dealing in conspiracies can't exactly lead to good things. Especially ones where people conspire against entire friggin countries, and even the WORLD.

[Mr_Cyberpunk]

Powered by hate and corruption he rose to the rank of senator, then he saw victory was within his grasp, all he had to do was run for president. At first it looked like his opponents might win, but then the child, now a man, tapped his greatest resource: the globalization conspiracy. The banks, which they controlled, were all to eager to create a financial crisis to swing the votes his way. Of course it wasn't just to get him elected. It was to pave the way towards fascism.

Sorry but this to me is just laughable. Globalization is purely a Marxist issue.. its not some magic conspiracy here.. simple reality is that the US needs slaves.. so rather than admit to failing at the abolition of Slavery, it decides "we'll just do it else where and pay them a wage.. call it employment." America has always been Fascist, It supported the Nazis throughout the War until they were defeated by Russia.. It just stood by as they attacked London and brought the UK to its knees. America admittedly supported Fascism, the only reason why it even kept Neutral for so long is so that it could profit from both sides of the war- being that a capitalist nation will sell to anyone paying for it- regardless of affiliation.

The problem has occurred where the imbalance with the West now funneling funds into the East means that the East will no longer conform to a 3rd World quality of life.. turning them from producers into consumers- that's already happening now.. It then means that the Marxists (ie. the Upper Classes) can then exploit this transition by owning the companies that profit from it and provide the tools, the services and the products necessary for the transition.. Unfortunately for China no one will care about it soon as it starts to demand higher wages and a better quality of life.. as well as more power on the global stage..

What the US will probably accomplish is that the wealthy will become even more wealthy and powerful, the poor will become poorer, thus working for much less wages, at this stage China will become a mass consumer- the complete opposite to what they are now, and the entire world will take a 180... but the reason why this is good for the Capitalists is because now everything will be cheap.. meaning they can being creating a Corpocracy and control entire cities in America through privatization..

I just want to establish that Obama is not this political genius OR leader of a massive conspiracy... He's just a really shit house politician that IMO has failed to accomplish anything he set out to do. He's just like Kevin Rudd here in Australia... All Talk, All Pathos and No action. This could however be a good thing since it was Clinton's Fault for this whole economic situation in the first place.. He made Globalization legal and he was the one that allowed credit trading to be legal.

The reason why Obama bought out the banks is because once the economy settles back down he can sell them off to Private Owners at a dirt cheap price- and thus re privatize the country.. I sincerely doubt that his "Noble" actions of making them Public was to benefit the people or those with heavy debts- rather its just as George Bush did, a money making ploy to make the wealthy even more wealthy. Because that's how America has always worked.. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.. and if you don't like it... MOVE TO MEXICO.

[justanotherfan]

Yay politics.

On Obama's term so far, I think he's keeping many promises and making a lot of progress. I think he isn't moving forward on sweeping changes and improvements that were promised and needed, but for example he's facing an extreme and hilarious backlash against some very mild healthcare changes. The difference with the new administration is like arguing with a reasonable person you disagree with, versus being yelled at by a blind madman. There were changes he promised and has reversed on, like warrant-less wiretaps and lobbyist regulations and torture loopholes, and the hilarious "new" timetable for Iraq withdrawal; this tells me that politics doesn't matter and the president is considering vital information than the people don't know and making utilitarian choices for the average citizen's benefit, or that general american policies and direction doesn't change with new representatives. Electing Obama seemed like a democratic revolution, but the system sapped its meaning.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

When I see trends in economics or politics, I'm never entirely sure if they're due to conspiracy, or just a system playing itself out with some lucky people happy to play along. On the stupid beliefs people have, I think many people want desperately to defend positions they already have, so many will believe whatever someone says if it corroborates or gives their position any strength. I know the USA is made up of many disparate "united" states, but from the outside, as a single entity it seems schizophrenic and paradoxical: delusional, dysfunctional, paranoid, violent, confused, stuporous. The paradox is that I know many americans are brilliant, functional, reasonable, and generally enlightened. America started with some principles that allowed for revolution, but it's set up now to prevent it. I believe the system is too much for the enlightened, and it makes life difficult for many around the world, so/but I'd suggest overturning it, or leaving.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/before.asp

[Jonas]

What's wrong with euthanising useless old people!? That's what we do in Scandinavia and it works for us!

It's the main reason national health care is so awesome: you get to kill all the old people completely legally. That's the point, even!

[bobby 55]

What's wrong with euthanising useless old people!? That's what we do in Scandinavia and it works for us!

It's the main reason national health care is so awesome: you get to kill all the old people completely legally. That's the point, even!

Shades of Logan's Run. You got to live to the ripe old age of 30. If we were living that novel i'd be dead already

[Jaedar]

Admittedly I mainly skimmed through the post, but I will say this; when America goes to hell, Europe will laugh and boy will we laugh hard.

What's wrong with euthanising useless old people!? That's what we do in Scandinavia and it works for us!

If they want to die, not letting them should be a criminal offence in every country.

Also: Appreciate the Irony of having a Hussein in the white house

[Jonas]

Admittedly I mainly skimmed through the post, but I will say this; when America goes to hell, Europe will laugh and boy will we laugh hard.

No, because all the good game developers are in America