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Xesum wrote:I saw a UFO, it was round, and getting bigger and bigger and I wondered what it was, and then it hit me.
LOL awesome!
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~Psychotic~ wrote:
Xesum wrote:I saw a UFO, it was round, and getting bigger and bigger and I wondered what it was, and then it hit me.
LOL awesome!
Hehehe! i had read that twice before i got it
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Xesum wrote:
bobby 55 wrote:Hahahaha! Good onya Psy and Jaedar. Does cause some lively and interesting debate though.
Quiet you, before you offend everyone.

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So... how's it like in the Fan Attic?
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Well I'm chilling up here actually.
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chris the cynic wrote:They believe that 48 years ago (on August 4, 1961) a child was born in the Republic of Kenya in the city of Mombasa (they say they have pictures of the birth certificate, honest) never mind that the Republic of Kenya didn't exist yet and Mombasa was part of Zanzibar at the time. I digress. 48 years ago this child was born. His father pretended to be an atheist, his mother pretended to be in Hawaii. They tricked the Hawaiian government into announcing the birth in two Hawaiian papers (they were crafty.)

They raised the child in radical Islam. What is more, he was a socialist. Once he'd been fully trained in radical Islam he was transferred to Chicago, where the mafia completed his indoctrination. He was educated at Harvard, by the way, financed by the Saudis.

Powered by hate and corruption he rose to the rank of senator, then he saw victory was within his grasp, all he had to do was run for president. At first it looked like his opponents might win, but then the child, now a man, tapped his greatest resource: the globalization conspiracy. The banks, which they controlled, were all to eager to create a financial crisis to swing the votes his way. Of course it wasn't just to get him elected. It was to pave the way towards fascism.

Now president, the man is ready to destroy this country from the inside, from the top down.

The globalists have already laid the groundwork. The oil crisis we've heard mentioned doesn't exist, there's enough oil for everyone forever (it happens to be under spotted owl nests, imagine that.) Global warming? A global sham to get us all thinking globally so globalization will seem more natural. All that needs to happen now is for the US to step into a new realm of socialized fascism. We're well on our way already.

There are FEMA concentration camps in the US today. The government is planning at least six civilian labor camps. There are train cars with shackles. (107,200 box cars with 143 pairs of shackles each implying there is an intent to have 15,329,600 prisoners in motion simultaneously.) They just dug 30,000 fresh graves in Arizona in preparation for the revolution. There's a vaccine for bird flu that was actually developed to kill people. Hugo Chavez now owns the software that runs US voting machines.

Patriots are not allowed in the US military, nor any government agency because the real goals of the military, FBI, and government at large involve crushing any patriotic American resistance to the globalists.

The main stream media will not report any of this, not even Fox as Saudi Arabi bought a portion of them in '07.

All of this is a good start, but for the plans to really take off the president (remember him?) needs to get a few things through congress. Like the Employee Free Choice Act which will allow unions (controlled by the mafia which is in turn controlled by the globalists) to take over industry and the Health Care thingamajig which will socialize medicine allowing the government to ration care and institute death panels so only those deemed productive survive and the rest get euthanasia.

Food will be scarce, we must horde water.

Expect martial law in September.

And Goldman Sachs runs the treasury.

And the globalists want to cut the global population down to about 1 billion.
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There are plenty of good reasons why conspiracy theories are bullshit. Some tough guy angst however isn't one of them. :roll:
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Thank you DDL, thank you Trestkon.

I suppose that some explanation is due as to why I brought up these crazy people at this time. Partially it is because they are hilariously crazy.

Most of the time that is all conspiracy theorists will be. Conspiracy theories have always existed, conspiracy theories will always exist. For the most part they are harmless. They can even inspire kick ass video games.

The reason they tend to be harmless is that they are crazy. Crazy doesn't have a political direction, crazy doesn't have a coherent plan or reasonably obtainable goals. The problem is, crazy can be harnessed. Right now there is a movement that is a bizarre combination of grassroots (a spontaneous movement formed from the ground up) crazy and Astroturf (fake grassroots planned and implemented by a particular interest) political.

The grassroots crazy are, as you might imagine, crazy. Their plans have no use in the real world. For example, if they were to somehow disqualify Obama that would place Biden in charge, which they seem to consider just as bad, if they managed to disqualify Obama and Biden at the same time that means we get President Pelosi, which they seem to consider just as bad. Even if they accomplished their goals they'd be no closer to what they want, and their goals are crazy anyway. Very little threat here to anything so long as they don't use the guns they've been stockpiling. (They think Obama intends to take their guns.)

The other side of the bizarre combination has a simple obtainable goal which makes sense in a non-crazy way. They want healthcare reform to fail, preferably before it even begins. The people funding this side believe they have something to gain (some politically, some economically) if healthcare reform never happens. Objectively it is hard to dispute that they do. There is a disturbing amount of sanity (and assholicness) in effect here.

So what the sane side is doing for the crazy side is organizing them. It is giving them talking points, there are guidebooks for how to best disrupt a townhall meeting, how to sit so that the member of congress holding the meeting thinks you have a majority when you don't, exactly what to say and what to do. They also provide protest signs, and there are buses so that crazy people from one area can be shipped to any area that happens to be low on crazy when the member of congress is around. (If they weren't doing these things so overtly I don't think anyone would have realized there was a non-crazy side.) They are quick to point out that they simply provide information and assistance, the grassroots movement already existed. The crazy side has welcomed this information and assistance and is now doing exactly what they sane side wants them to do. Essentially throwing one giant crazy monkey wrench into what should be a fairly straightforward political process.

In the time I have been aware of politics I have never seen the crazy conspiracy theorists exerting this much influence. I think the reason is that most strategists think of them like fire (or perhaps mustard gas) it can hurt your enemies, sure, but when the wind shifts it'll kill you too. Crazy doesn't have a party and it certainly doesn't answer to a boss. Giving them power is risky when you consider that in all likelihood they think you are also an evil conspirator who needs to be taken down.

Whether or not that is correct, whatever previously kept conspiracy theorists from having a serious influence over US politics hasn't kicked in this time around. In a disturbingly real sense the conspiracy theorists are the healthcare debate right now. This time of year is usually when the legislature goes home, tells their constituents what they are doing and finds out what their constituents are thinking. This time they've gone home, gotten yelled at, been largely unable to find out what their constituents' concerns are, and spent a lot of their time trying, and often failing, to convince people that lies are, in fact, lies. If someone has real concerns about healthcare reform that person will almost certainly be drowned out by the crazy people.

That is why this is worthy of note.

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In terms of terminology, "birther" refers to any person who believes that the President of the United States was born outside of the United States. It is highly unlikely that all birthers believe precisely the same things. If, of all the things mentioned in my first post, the only one a person believes is that Obama was not born in the US that person would still qualify as a birther.

"Deather" is a derisive term applied to people who believe Obama's evil medical system will include a death panel that determines who lives and who dies. Deathers and birthers overlap, but not all birthers are deathers and not all deathers are birthers. For example, Sarah Palin is a deather but as far as I know she is not a birther.

The birther and deather conspiracy theories have been integrated into preexisting conspiracy theory framework. That is why we see one of the leaders of the birthers spouting "facts" from completely unrelated conspiracy theories. That is why the list of "They believe" in the first post of this topic was longer than, "Obama was born in Kenya, Obama will create a panel that will kill old people and those with disabilities."

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Finally, what does the EFCA have to do with any of this?

Well, reading what the crazy people believe it might become apparent that from a purely public policy standpoint there isn't a lot they can do.

For example:
Believe FEMA has created concentration camps that they're just waiting to take you to? Good like getting your congress people to do anything about it. What, precisely, would you say to them?

Even if you could come up with a way to approach them where they wouldn't immediately dismiss you as crazy, what is your demand going to be? If you say dismantle the camps they'll tell you there are no camps. So what do you say? Dismantle FEMA? That will never happen. It doesn't matter how massively FEMA fucks up, congress will never do away with it. The response would always be to try to fix FEMA (which a conspiracy theorist would likely believe was just an attempt to make it even more nefarious.) Getting rid of it when it hasn't recently fucked up is beyond impossible.

There are very few areas where the conspiracy theorists can really do much of anything to influence the country. Upcoming legislation is an area where they can have an influence. One of the reasons is simply one of inertia. To oppose change you just need to say, "Let's keep things as they are, it's less work, less risk, and I think they are better this way." To create change you need convince people that the work and the risk are worth it, and if the reason you think the work and the risk are worth it is because it will stop the globalist conspiracy from shipping you in a box car to the concentration camp the government already built ... most people aren't going to go for it.

When opposing change, even if you do end up demonstrating you are crazy, there is a good chance it will not matter. You don't actually need to make your case, you just need to make sure that the other side can't make their case. It does not even need to go that far though, you just need to make sure the other side can't make their case in a few key districts.

Now you, being crazy, may not think about this, but others might. In the case of healthcare reform others have. That is a piece of upcoming legislation that the conspiracy theorists seem to be having an influence on. It is my hope that, in the end, it will turn out that, though they managed to make the debate all about them, they won't have much influence on the final outcome.

One of their beliefs is that the EFCA is a way for unions to take over business. And by unions I mean the Mafia. And by the Mafia I mean globalists. Well the EFCA is also a piece of upcoming legislation, which means that, like healthcare reform, it is one of the few areas where conspiracy theorists have a chance to have a real effect.

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I started writing a short post on Wednesday morning but ran out of time before my trip to Boston. I came back, saw the thread was now four pages long, read those pages and wrote this monster, it is now Thursday here.
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You don’t want to have a lengthy discussion about the influence of conspiracy theorists in contemporary US politics? Fine. I can handle that.

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I figured something was up, Chris doesn't usually post crap like this..

Also the reason for my posts was to trigger a fight.. don't you guys remember that awesome one I had with that guy that time :D- that got fun.

Some of what I said though was my thinking, not all of it. I feel that Obama hasn't convinced me he's really a socialist, I feel that the US's contribution to World War 2 was lacking because it despised Britain and wanted them out of the picture.

The other stuff such as saying America is under fascist rule is false.. its actually a conspiracy theory called the Business Coup that was rumored to have been started by the Bushes during WW2. It is NOT what I think. Its just a set of truths spinned to make it sound like America is still fascist when its not entirely.

However I'd like to say that it certain IS my opinion that the upper classes are using China to ruin the quality of life balance within the world- as the issue with Globalization is that once you improve a region, then you'll have to look else where for cheap labor- because then you've got yourself a consumer instead of a producer- which means that eventually they'll move onto another third world country and do the same- meanwhile in the West lowerclass jobs will be near impossible to find. This is what they wanted to do, eliminate the lower class entirely from the west- and we can see its happening and its working.

The problem is that its now become a case where if you loose your house and your job, then its almost impossible to get back and recover. The solution though is to better educate people so that they are far more marketable and useful in the job market making it less likely to have a mass loss of jobs like we did this year.

So there are part truths to that.

Obama selling the banks off is total bullshit :D The fact is he's controlling the banks so that they can be heavily regulated- this is a good thing that needs to be done.
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Firstly, thanks Chris for the posts. You certainly got the place livened up with debate.Secondly i'll charge you for a pack of aspirin because you made me THINK. Now i have a headache :smile:
And to MrCyberpunk, a well used phrase from here:shit stirrer :mrgreen:
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well I known throughout the interwebs as one of the biggest shit stirrers around :D I can make mountains out of mole hills lol.
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Mr_Cyberpunk wrote:well I known throughout the interwebs as one of the biggest shit stirrers around :D I can make mountains out of mole hills lol.
Lol! Before i get hammered elsewhere in Australia it's not considered offensive to be called a shit stirrer......er, most of the time
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Naturally Australians only get offended when you point out the obvious fact that we're Australian- "How Ye Go'n Mate" ect...

We don't talk like that. We used to.. but not anymore. You can call us what ever the hell you want.. I mean the global community calls us Racist.. we don't give a shit.. so long as the Japanese keep coming to kill our whales and take photos of our crap its all good :D.
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