HDTP beta

bjorn98009_91 · Post by **bjorn98009_91** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:13 pm

At least until Y|yukichigai is done updating Shifter. Seems to me that he is almost done with that anyway, so you might just want to stick around a little for that.

Y|yukichigai · Post by **Y|yukichigai** » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:52 pm

bjorn98009_91 wrote:At least until Y|yukichigai is done updating Shifter. Seems to me that he is almost done with that anyway, so you might just want to stick around a little for that.

Working on it. I just need to figure out how I'm going to address the MJ12 bug.

Also I added a new feature: lootable containers. I'm sick of trash cans that you have to smash open like some kind of neanderthal when there's a freakin' lid that you can open.

bjorn98009_91 · Post by **bjorn98009_91** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:43 am

Well you could just leave the MJ12 trooper disabled completely, until DDL/Akerfeldt has fixed that.

Also, what about the system for petting cats?

A Future Pilot · Post by **A Future Pilot** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:34 pm

What kind of unresolved bugs are present in the original game?

Y|yukichigai · Post by **Y|yukichigai** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:44 pm

A Future Pilot wrote:What kind of unresolved bugs are present in the original game?

This thread has a good summary of a bunch of them. WARNING: possible spoilers. The game is complicated enough that the mentions there shouldn't spoil much, but it can still happen.

Y|yukichigai · Post by **Y|yukichigai** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:16 pm

Another thing of note: the scope view with the new textures seems to be of a decidedly wider aperture than stock. Is that on purpose or did I just mess up on math?

ggrotz · Post by **ggrotz** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:18 pm

Y|yukichigai wrote:Another thing of note: the scope view with the new textures seems to be of a decidedly wider aperture than stock. Is that on purpose or did I just mess up on math?

It probably is - the problem with the original scope with the higher resolutions is that it gets so tiny that you can't find anything once you zoom. That said the HDTP scope change is wonderful and hopefully is a considered change in any kind of bug fix/update effort.

ggrotz · Post by **ggrotz** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:52 am

Just because...

: Screen shot comparison - Vanilla scope on left, new HDTP scope on right

Y|yukichigai · Post by **Y|yukichigai** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:58 am

Alright, that's more or less the difference I've been seeing. Intentional then. Yay.

I may alter the default to match, actually. Provided I can math right.

G-Flex · Post by **G-Flex** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:05 am

ggrotz wrote:
Y|yukichigai wrote:Another thing of note: the scope view with the new textures seems to be of a decidedly wider aperture than stock. Is that on purpose or did I just mess up on math?
It probably is - the problem with the original scope with the higher resolutions is that it gets so tiny that you can't find anything once you zoom. That said the HDTP scope change is wonderful and hopefully is a considered change in any kind of bug fix/update effort.

Honestly, any scope texture should be drawn stretched in order to compensate for differences in resolution. I'm not sure why the original game didn't do this. As it is, no matter which texture you use, higher resolution means you see less while zoomed in.

A Future Pilot · Post by **A Future Pilot** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:43 pm

OK, so a couple more questions...

1. Is Deus Ex 2.0 patch dead? Is it compatible with HDTP?

2. I know that the reason Human Renovation is incompatible is cause they both replace the same file. Why? And is there any way to make a separate "compatibility patch" or some-such? If I just did a diff-merge on the files (with some supervision of course) would it work?

Thanks!

Y|yukichigai · Post by **Y|yukichigai** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:24 pm

DX2.0 is very much NOT dead. I am just considering working on it after I push this latest version of Shifter out.

Sadly, DX2.0 isn't compatible with HDTP. However, once we get a stable release of DX2.0 there's no reason HDTP couldn't use that as a base for its own overridden DeusEx.u files. That's up to DDL et al though.

A Future Pilot · Post by **A Future Pilot** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:43 pm

What are the big differences in Human Renovation and Deus Ex 2.0? Does HuRen change more?

Thanks again!

bjorn98009_91 · Post by **bjorn98009_91** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:13 pm

Y|yukichigai wrote:DX2.0 is very much NOT dead. I am just considering working on it after I push this latest version of Shifter out.

Sadly, DX2.0 isn't compatible with HDTP. However, once we get a stable release of DX2.0 there's no reason HDTP couldn't use that as a base for its own overridden DeusEx.u files. That's up to DDL et al though.

Glad to hear. Also if "all" DeusEx.u mods were to be based on DX 2.0 instead of vanilla code a lot of incompatibilities would go away. Instead of having to choose between HDTP and bug fixes, or one awesome mod and bug fixes you would always get bug fixes!

Post by **DDL** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:42 am

My plan for HDTP has always been to modify as little code as possible, which for me means modding vanilla DX only.

If I start modding a modded (and indeed, still in progress) core code pack, tracking changes becomes a nightmare.

(plus of course, one man's exploit/bug/problem is another man's awesome feature -at least with the current approach I'm not required to make any personal judgement calls)

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