FrobozzDaMad wrote:While Garlic may have posted in bad faith, in a serious discussion, derailing the existing argument with a nitpicking of someone's comment and a needless history lesson on a Roman master of character assassination is worse.
I'm wondering what you think of as a history lesson. My response to gamer0004, one of gamer0004's posts, or my post that came before those which was entirely about Garlic's toxic rhetoric?
Regardless, how we treat each other does matter. This conversation can be civil, or it can be how Garlic would have it. Which we choose does matter for the discussion because it has an effect on how the discussion plays out. Further, what tactics one chooses to use does matter when deciding what stock to put into what that person says.*
That said, your nitpicking of my post in the middle of a serious discussion is noted. As is the fact the proportion of your post discussing Cicero was strikingly similar to the proportion of my response to Garlic that mentioned Cicero. I shall think on both if it will make you a happier and more contented person.
Now, the community is arguing the HDTP team is acting in bad faith
How large is the community and what gives you personally the right to say what the community is doing? Were you elected spokesperson?
Is Jonas a part of the community? Certainly he isn't a member of the HDTP team, and he has been following their progress and awaiting the mod's release. Unless I've missed something he seems to be following their progress more closely than you. Does he qualify as a member of the community? What about Hashi?
FrobozzDaMad wrote:Since HDTP stopped doing progress updates though, I don't even know WHAT help they need or technical hurdles they are looking to overcome. Do they need a Modeler? An Animator? A Programmer? Someone familiar with writing installer scripts? Your guess is as good as mine.
Well unless progress has magically be moving backwards in the past five months, the answer is that they don't need a modler, they don't need a programmer, and they don't need someone familiar with writing installer scripts. As of the last progress report, which was five months ago yesterday, what remained to be done was first person animations which, as of five months and one day ago, were being done. Slowly, for it is a slow process. Again, as of five months and one day ago.
This information is nothing new. It has been freely available for anyone who might be interested for the past five months. Five months and one day.
Why would you ask if they need a Modeler?**
It might be worthwhile to ask if the animations are still being worked on, and if they are not offering to help with that if you have the necessary skills (remember,
model animations, not
texture animations) but to say that we haven't been told where the remaining work lies is either disingenuous or indicative of the fact that you haven't been paying attention. I think the second is more likely, you've said that you only come here once a year after all.
That brings me to my main point. You come here "maybe once a year" and when you came this time you apparently didn't bother to read the first few threads. What gives you the right to speak for the entire community and say what the community is doing? Because from where I sit the community seems to generally be pretty quiet. Most of the community that I have observed in my more than once a year visits doesn't come out unless a truly prolific troll gets on their nerves. Those members that do come out more often seem to include several people who are not in any way arguing that the HDTP team is acting in bad faith.
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* For a hopefully noncontroversial example, if someone were to choose to make use of lies, others would be perfectly reasonable in requiring an higher burden of proof than usual to accept claims that person made.
** And since when is "Modeler" capitalized when not at the start of a sentence? Has it always been this way and I just haven't noticed?
) and FrobozzDaMad.
