time to shake Unreal 1 engine?

r00tb33r · Post by **r00tb33r** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:10 am

Coming from the 3dRealms forum... Saw the DNF teaser shot of the video coming out tomorrow. Sure we have all seen alot of both bogus speculations and plain pranks... But this isn't April. So anyway, Duke seems to suffer the same illness as HDTP version of JC, <punmode> small nose </punmode>.
Anyway I wonder which one will be out first. Sure, HDTP had a release 1 but I'm talking about the final release.
The thread seems to have exploded since my last post. Yay gave people something to fight about. Merry Christmas LOLz.

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:53 am

I wanted to bring up the art debate again.. as an industry we have to keep talking about it.. not talking about it means the assholes win!

r00tb33r · Post by **r00tb33r** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:19 am

OMFG I ALMOST CRIED... WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME???
Anyway the so called teaser is up on their site. I guess I'll play it when its out...

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:10 am

you are slow this is old news

DaveW · Post by **DaveW** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:20 am

Posted weeks ago, and there's an appropriate two topics about it. Stop bringing up unrelated topics here, please (what does DNF have to do with HDTP or Deus Ex in general?)

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:05 am

.. I did warn everyone this would happen

Post by **Jonas** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:47 am

ZylonBane wrote:
Jonas wrote:Spore isn't even out yet, it may very well suck as much as The Sims.
Wow, Maxis would just HATE that.

Way to completely miss the point.

EER wrote:Especially if it would be an economic failure of the same magnitude as the sims...

ET TU, ERIK!?

In reply to the rest of the art debate: You seem to think art cannot be entertainment and that entertainment cannot be art. You seem to believe that art cannot make sense or tell a good story or be a fun experience. You seem to presume that art can only be the sort of works that people with too much money will pay 10,000 dollars for.

I don't agree. I think I can be just as moved by entertainment as I can by the paintings of the old masters, and I think I can be just as entertained by a nonsensical Buñuel film as I can by a Hollywood blockbuster. I believe Edward Munch's The Scream was just as much art before it was worth several millions as it is today. As long as we can't agree on the definition of art (and indeed this is always the problem that comes up in discussions of games as art), we will not be able to agree on calling games art or not.

EER · Post by **EER** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:08 pm

I make a point of not getting distracted by 'the point'.

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:06 am

The very definition of art is ambiguous and IMO is just another way of over valuing something. Entertainment can be able to reach just as Art can, my issue was with the fact that the Cultures that seek to contain it from the public.. this is where I find ART to be a pile of crap. I can't just walk into a private Art gallery for instance since a majority of the time I get dirty looks (its happened). Funnily enough its the same look the EB cashiers give me when I tell them to take their trade ins up their own ass for a change. What I don't want to see is a video game industry built on Smugness and thats where I am worried it is heading.

I wasn't debating that games can't reach that same level of emotion ect.. they can, I mean MGS clearly does, Final Fantasy yep we can go on and on.. They can be just as intense and good as Art.. that doesn't mean they should be classified as it though.. since when you legitimize something you begin to really exclude people.

It's merely the culture associated with Art that I am worried about.

Post by **Jonas** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:45 pm

Mr_Cyberpunk wrote:What I don't want to see is a video game industry built on Smugness and thats where I am worried it is heading.

Oh you don't have to worry about that, the video game industry is by now solidly built on $$$ and that's not likely to ever change.

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:09 am

thats what I am worried About since that is a prerequisite for smugness

Post by **Jonas** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:29 pm

Nah you can be plenty smug without having any money. Trust me.

Mr_Cyberpunk · Post by **Mr_Cyberpunk** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:33 am

hehehe good one

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time to shake Unreal 1 engine?

Is it time the project moved to Unreal 2 engine or higher?

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